Comments on: Facebook RPG in Art Controversy http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/02/05/facebook-rpg-in-art-controversy/ Content Theft, Plagiarism, Copyright Infringement Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:14:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Another Facebook RPG Controversy | PlagiarismToday http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/02/05/facebook-rpg-in-art-controversy/comment-page-2/#comment-127247 Another Facebook RPG Controversy | PlagiarismToday Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:41:29 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=2721#comment-127247 [...] happened back in February with the RPG game Hammerfall where many works from the deviantArt community were found to be used [...] [...] happened back in February with the RPG game Hammerfall where many works from the deviantArt community were found to be used [...]

]]> By: Jonathan Bailey http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/02/05/facebook-rpg-in-art-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-127246 Jonathan Bailey Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:30:00 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=2721#comment-127246 The game survives on Facebook today. What ended up happening, according to the game, is that they were burned when they bought a stock image library and they removed pretty much all of the images in the game and then turned to the game's players to crowd-source proper licensing for new images. Last I checked, they were still in the process as there were literally hundreds of images to replace. That is about all I know on this one... The game survives on Facebook today. What ended up happening, according to the game, is that they were burned when they bought a stock image library and they removed pretty much all of the images in the game and then turned to the game's players to crowd-source proper licensing for new images. Last I checked, they were still in the process as there were literally hundreds of images to replace.

That is about all I know on this one…

]]> By: Jonathan Bailey http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/02/05/facebook-rpg-in-art-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-131887 Jonathan Bailey Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:30:00 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=2721#comment-131887 The game survives on Facebook today. What ended up happening, according to the game, is that they were burned when they bought a stock image library and they removed pretty much all of the images in the game and then turned to the game's players to crowd-source proper licensing for new images. Last I checked, they were still in the process as there were literally hundreds of images to replace. That is about all I know on this one... The game survives on Facebook today. What ended up happening, according to the game, is that they were burned when they bought a stock image library and they removed pretty much all of the images in the game and then turned to the game’s players to crowd-source proper licensing for new images. Last I checked, they were still in the process as there were literally hundreds of images to replace.

That is about all I know on this one…

]]> By: Jonathan Bailey http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/02/05/facebook-rpg-in-art-controversy/comment-page-2/#comment-127242 Jonathan Bailey Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:15:00 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=2721#comment-127242 I've been following this case closely and will be posting at least a short update on it on my site later today. Thanks for the link! I've been following this case closely and will be posting at least a short update on it on my site later today. Thanks for the link!

]]> By: Jonathan Bailey http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/02/05/facebook-rpg-in-art-controversy/comment-page-2/#comment-131886 Jonathan Bailey Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:15:00 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=2721#comment-131886 I've been following this case closely and will be posting at least a short update on it on my site later today. Thanks for the link! I’ve been following this case closely and will be posting at least a short update on it on my site later today. Thanks for the link!

]]> By: TheWizard http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/02/05/facebook-rpg-in-art-controversy/comment-page-2/#comment-131885 TheWizard Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:39:00 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=2721#comment-131885 And now there is within the last 24 hours another claim of stolen artwork, with rather evident proof being provided. View the forum post here: (may need to copy & paste as one link) <a href="http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=46755028429&topic=16258&start=0&hash=bddb7d7b6423df240c82aaf0c951060d" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=46755028429...</a> And now there is within the last 24 hours another claim of stolen artwork, with rather evident proof being provided. View the forum post here: (may need to copy & paste as one link)

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=46755028429…

]]> By: TheWizard http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/02/05/facebook-rpg-in-art-controversy/comment-page-2/#comment-127239 TheWizard Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:39:45 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=2721#comment-127239 And now there is within the last 24 hours another claim of stolen artwork, with rather evident proof being provided. View the forum post here: (may need to copy & paste as one link) <a href="http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=46755028429&topic=16258&start=0&hash=bddb7d7b6423df240c82aaf0c951060d" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=46755028429...</a> And now there is within the last 24 hours another claim of stolen artwork, with rather evident proof being provided. View the forum post here: (may need to copy & paste as one link)

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=46755028429…

]]> By: Maria http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/02/05/facebook-rpg-in-art-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-127233 Maria Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:35:00 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=2721#comment-127233 This is an interesting read. Would love to read a follow-up piece. How did this all play out? I'm not on Facebook and have no clue what the game is all about. I'm curious, however, to know if the people who owned the artwork were ever compensated for the use and whether the game survives today on Facebook. This is an interesting read. Would love to read a follow-up piece. How did this all play out? I'm not on Facebook and have no clue what the game is all about. I'm curious, however, to know if the people who owned the artwork were ever compensated for the use and whether the game survives today on Facebook.

]]> By: Maria http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/02/05/facebook-rpg-in-art-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-131884 Maria Mon, 03 Aug 2009 18:35:00 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=2721#comment-131884 This is an interesting read. Would love to read a follow-up piece. How did this all play out? I'm not on Facebook and have no clue what the game is all about. I'm curious, however, to know if the people who owned the artwork were ever compensated for the use and whether the game survives today on Facebook. This is an interesting read. Would love to read a follow-up piece. How did this all play out? I’m not on Facebook and have no clue what the game is all about. I’m curious, however, to know if the people who owned the artwork were ever compensated for the use and whether the game survives today on Facebook.

]]> By: Mia Jessica http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2009/02/05/facebook-rpg-in-art-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-128077 Mia Jessica Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:26:52 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=2721#comment-128077 I think you perhaps miss understand the issue... the Kimball brothers are businessmen, Hammerfall is just one of their business applications, they make a HELL of a lot of good money running them. What you're missing here is that the art community didn't find Hammerfall and go "OMG LETS ATTACK HIM!", the artists who found the original theft some 5 months ago sent him emails asking him to remove their images, then they sent him cease & desist letters, then they tried contacting facebook to take action... and it was only after those MONTHS of trying to deal directly and privately with Dennis that they felt their only options left was to start making as much noise as possible. At that point, Dennis personally and directly started denying the issue and then locking accounts and trying to move images around to keep the artists from reporting THEIR work as stolen. As for Hammerfall being a high ranked app, that doesn't matter whatsoever, especially when not one of the artists who's work was being used was being credited. That means there wasn't even any exposure for the artist. People were actually assuming Dennis had done the artwork himself!!! (And if you don't believe me, go check on the forums, there's many posts that state they thought it was his own work).It wasn't until some pretty serious legal threats were made that he came up with this flawed image submission scheme, which is still riddled with problems and is STILL going to cause copyright issues in future... and for all the time wasted and frustration and laws broken, Kimball has still to issue an apology for his shocking behavior. He claims to have bought the artwork through a third party website, but still hasn't given any proof of this. This is not a good natured guy with poor social skills, this is a businessman who wanted to get the best benefit for his money making venture as he possibly could without giving any credit or paying for one of the assets that was making his venture a success.And if you don't think the artwork was that much of an asset for him, you should see the complaint threads on his discussion boards about the lack of artwork and the quality of what's being uploaded now. I think you perhaps miss understand the issue… the Kimball brothers are businessmen, Hammerfall is just one of their business applications, they make a HELL of a lot of good money running them. What you're missing here is that the art community didn't find Hammerfall and go "OMG LETS ATTACK HIM!", the artists who found the original theft some 5 months ago sent him emails asking him to remove their images, then they sent him cease & desist letters, then they tried contacting facebook to take action… and it was only after those MONTHS of trying to deal directly and privately with Dennis that they felt their only options left was to start making as much noise as possible. At that point, Dennis personally and directly started denying the issue and then locking accounts and trying to move images around to keep the artists from reporting THEIR work as stolen. As for Hammerfall being a high ranked app, that doesn't matter whatsoever, especially when not one of the artists who's work was being used was being credited. That means there wasn't even any exposure for the artist. People were actually assuming Dennis had done the artwork himself!!! (And if you don't believe me, go check on the forums, there's many posts that state they thought it was his own work).It wasn't until some pretty serious legal threats were made that he came up with this flawed image submission scheme, which is still riddled with problems and is STILL going to cause copyright issues in future… and for all the time wasted and frustration and laws broken, Kimball has still to issue an apology for his shocking behavior. He claims to have bought the artwork through a third party website, but still hasn't given any proof of this. This is not a good natured guy with poor social skills, this is a businessman who wanted to get the best benefit for his money making venture as he possibly could without giving any credit or paying for one of the assets that was making his venture a success.And if you don't think the artwork was that much of an asset for him, you should see the complaint threads on his discussion boards about the lack of artwork and the quality of what's being uploaded now.

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