Comments on: Frustration and Fighting Plagiarism http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/04/30/the-problem-with-fighting-plagiarism/ Content Theft, Plagiarism, Copyright Infringement Sun, 21 Mar 2010 22:37:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Sam Begichttp://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/04/30/the-problem-with-fighting-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-124150 Sam Begic Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:49:04 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=998#comment-124150 Just quick opinion on the whole thing.Until theft of copyrighted material is treated same as theft of physical products like cars, TV's etc. we are not going to see any step forward in this battle.Even then they will try to do it but it is ours to go after them backed up by law.Should we wait till this happen? Absolutely not.Fight at current time against this kind of theft and exposure in media will speed up process of passing law which equals intellectual property theft with "regular" theft.Sam Begic www.dasintelligence.com Internet monitoring and enforcement Just quick opinion on the whole thing.Until theft of copyrighted material is treated same as theft of
physical products like cars, TV’s etc. we are not going to see any step forward in this battle.Even then
they will try to do it but it is ours to go after them backed up by law.Should we wait till this happen?
Absolutely not.Fight at current time against this kind of theft and exposure in media will speed up
process of passing law which equals intellectual property theft with “regular” theft.

Sam Begic
http://www.dasintelligence.com
Internet monitoring and enforcement

]]> By: Jonathan Baileyhttp://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/04/30/the-problem-with-fighting-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-99645 Jonathan Bailey Wed, 07 May 2008 16:14:16 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=998#comment-99645 Diane: No, that is the result of editing the title in a panic thirty seconds before it is supposed to go live. Proof that no amount of spell checking can save you from the pressures of deadlines and your own stupidity.Regarding your case though, I have a lot of questions for you about it but really can't discuss it here as I don't want to risk giving any spammers or junk content link. If you want, email me some of the URLs involved and I'll see what I can do. There may be ways around this.I'll gladly help in any way that I can! Diane: No, that is the result of editing the title in a panic thirty seconds before it is supposed to go live. Proof that no amount of spell checking can save you from the pressures of deadlines and your own stupidity.

Regarding your case though, I have a lot of questions for you about it but really can’t discuss it here as I don’t want to risk giving any spammers or junk content link. If you want, email me some of the URLs involved and I’ll see what I can do. There may be ways around this.

I’ll gladly help in any way that I can!

]]> By: Jonathan Baileyhttp://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/04/30/the-problem-with-fighting-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-121261 Jonathan Bailey Wed, 07 May 2008 16:14:16 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=998#comment-121261 Diane: No, that is the result of editing the title in a panic thirty seconds before it is supposed to go live. Proof that no amount of spell checking can save you from the pressures of deadlines and your own stupidity.<br><br>Regarding your case though, I have a lot of questions for you about it but really can't discuss it here as I don't want to risk giving any spammers or junk content link. If you want, email me some of the URLs involved and I'll see what I can do. There may be ways around this.<br><br>I'll gladly help in any way that I can! Diane: No, that is the result of editing the title in a panic thirty seconds before it is supposed to go live. Proof that no amount of spell checking can save you from the pressures of deadlines and your own stupidity.

Regarding your case though, I have a lot of questions for you about it but really can’t discuss it here as I don’t want to risk giving any spammers or junk content link. If you want, email me some of the URLs involved and I’ll see what I can do. There may be ways around this.

I’ll gladly help in any way that I can!

]]> By: Diane Blackmanhttp://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/04/30/the-problem-with-fighting-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-99452 Diane Blackman Wed, 07 May 2008 02:56:21 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=998#comment-99452 Furstration ? Is that a new word? I'm going through the head banging now. Thanks for this site. 1 and 1 told me "We are in receipt of your letter regarding the above-mentioned URLs.1&1 is an Internet service provider, and is not responsible for and does not exercise any control over the use of customer domain names or the content of its customers? websites.Given the nature of your complaint, 1&1 has forwarded your correspondence to the owner of the above domain name."OOOOOKAY This little bit of fun involved some 30 identical content web sites (other than the domain name) sold to a whole bunch of rather naive people. Only one page was stolen from my work. The rest were stolen from other people. I can't remember how many different hosts are involved. 10? Some pages owners reachable, some "he said it was legal so I'm keeping it" etc etc (That one was at the wrong host to try that approach). It has been an education. Furstration ? Is that a new word?
I’m going through the head banging now. Thanks for this site. 1 and 1 told me
“We are in receipt of your letter regarding the above-mentioned URLs.

1&1 is an Internet service provider, and is not responsible for and does
not exercise any control over the use of customer domain names or the
content of its customers? websites.

Given the nature of your complaint, 1&1 has forwarded your
correspondence to the owner of the above domain name.”

OOOOOKAY This little bit of fun involved some 30 identical content web sites (other than the domain name) sold to a whole bunch of rather naive people. Only one page was stolen from my work. The rest were stolen from other people. I can’t remember how many different hosts are involved. 10? Some pages owners reachable, some “he said it was legal so I’m keeping it” etc etc (That one was at the wrong host to try that approach). It has been an education.

]]> By: Diane Blackmanhttp://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/04/30/the-problem-with-fighting-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-121260 Diane Blackman Wed, 07 May 2008 02:56:21 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=998#comment-121260 Furstration ? Is that a new word?<br>I'm going through the head banging now. Thanks for this site. 1 and 1 told me<br>"We are in receipt of your letter regarding the above-mentioned URLs.<br><br>1&1 is an Internet service provider, and is not responsible for and does<br>not exercise any control over the use of customer domain names or the<br>content of its customers? websites. <br><br>Given the nature of your complaint, 1&1 has forwarded your<br>correspondence to the owner of the above domain name."<br><br>OOOOOKAY This little bit of fun involved some 30 identical content web sites (other than the domain name) sold to a whole bunch of rather naive people. Only one page was stolen from my work. The rest were stolen from other people. I can't remember how many different hosts are involved. 10? Some pages owners reachable, some "he said it was legal so I'm keeping it" etc etc (That one was at the wrong host to try that approach). It has been an education. Furstration ? Is that a new word?
I’m going through the head banging now. Thanks for this site. 1 and 1 told me
“We are in receipt of your letter regarding the above-mentioned URLs.

1&1 is an Internet service provider, and is not responsible for and does
not exercise any control over the use of customer domain names or the
content of its customers? websites.

Given the nature of your complaint, 1&1 has forwarded your
correspondence to the owner of the above domain name.”

OOOOOKAY This little bit of fun involved some 30 identical content web sites (other than the domain name) sold to a whole bunch of rather naive people. Only one page was stolen from my work. The rest were stolen from other people. I can’t remember how many different hosts are involved. 10? Some pages owners reachable, some “he said it was legal so I’m keeping it” etc etc (That one was at the wrong host to try that approach). It has been an education.

]]> By: Jonathan Baileyhttp://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/04/30/the-problem-with-fighting-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-99289 Jonathan Bailey Tue, 06 May 2008 21:03:27 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=998#comment-99289 Will: I'm sorry to hear about your frustrations but I definitely understand. However, try to have some hope, help is on the way. However, you are right that, without hosts getting serious about these issues, not much is going to change. Of course, if the search engines got more serious about it, the whole issue would be moot anyway, no point in scraping if it won't work.Sometimes it can feel like you're the only one who cares. So yeah, I understand the venting.Let me know if I can help. Will: I’m sorry to hear about your frustrations but I definitely understand. However, try to have some hope, help is on the way. However, you are right that, without hosts getting serious about these issues, not much is going to change. Of course, if the search engines got more serious about it, the whole issue would be moot anyway, no point in scraping if it won’t work.

Sometimes it can feel like you’re the only one who cares. So yeah, I understand the venting.

Let me know if I can help.

]]> By: Jonathan Baileyhttp://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/04/30/the-problem-with-fighting-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-121259 Jonathan Bailey Tue, 06 May 2008 21:03:27 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=998#comment-121259 Will: I'm sorry to hear about your frustrations but I definitely understand. However, try to have some hope, help is on the way. However, you are right that, without hosts getting serious about these issues, not much is going to change. Of course, if the search engines got more serious about it, the whole issue would be moot anyway, no point in scraping if it won't work.<br><br>Sometimes it can feel like you're the only one who cares. So yeah, I understand the venting.<br><br>Let me know if I can help. Will: I’m sorry to hear about your frustrations but I definitely understand. However, try to have some hope, help is on the way. However, you are right that, without hosts getting serious about these issues, not much is going to change. Of course, if the search engines got more serious about it, the whole issue would be moot anyway, no point in scraping if it won’t work.

Sometimes it can feel like you’re the only one who cares. So yeah, I understand the venting.

Let me know if I can help.

]]> By: Willhttp://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/04/30/the-problem-with-fighting-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-98578 Will Mon, 05 May 2008 20:32:13 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=998#comment-98578 I think your one point about the "time sink" encompasses 90% of the frustrated bloggers. I know I find my stuff scraped whenever I look, so I stopped looking. It is just too frustrating and time consuming. The thieves are just overrunning the fort!If I get a ping or trackback that leads me to a scraper, I will take the time to delete the pooing and try to find out the host of the scraper. I then will email the abuse department at the host. Once or twice, they took action after checking out the site. The usual response is to demand a full DMCA, and that is where I stop making the effort.I don't have enough time to deal with the issue, especially since I make virtually no money from my site. People who make an income from their sites and take the time needed to deal with scrapers are probably using up more time and effort than it is worth.It would be great to have more automated tools available, but until the hosts get serious about the obvious scrapers, nothing will stop them.There is also the point that one host made after I contacted them which was something like this: "Well yes the site has your entire blog post, but we see no monetization of their site, and they link back to you at the end of the stolen content. Legally there is nothing we can do."Sorry to vent, but it does get frustrating. I think your one point about the “time sink” encompasses 90% of the frustrated bloggers. I know I find my stuff scraped whenever I look, so I stopped looking. It is just too frustrating and time consuming. The thieves are just overrunning the fort!

If I get a ping or trackback that leads me to a scraper, I will take the time to delete the pooing and try to find out the host of the scraper. I then will email the abuse department at the host. Once or twice, they took action after checking out the site. The usual response is to demand a full DMCA, and that is where I stop making the effort.

I don’t have enough time to deal with the issue, especially since I make virtually no money from my site. People who make an income from their sites and take the time needed to deal with scrapers are probably using up more time and effort than it is worth.

It would be great to have more automated tools available, but until the hosts get serious about the obvious scrapers, nothing will stop them.

There is also the point that one host made after I contacted them which was something like this: “Well yes the site has your entire blog post, but we see no monetization of their site, and they link back to you at the end of the stolen content. Legally there is nothing we can do.”

Sorry to vent, but it does get frustrating.

]]> By: Willhttp://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2008/04/30/the-problem-with-fighting-plagiarism/comment-page-1/#comment-121258 Will Mon, 05 May 2008 20:32:13 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/?p=998#comment-121258 I think your one point about the "time sink" encompasses 90% of the frustrated bloggers. I know I find my stuff scraped whenever I look, so I stopped looking. It is just too frustrating and time consuming. The thieves are just overrunning the fort!<br><br>If I get a ping or trackback that leads me to a scraper, I will take the time to delete the pooing and try to find out the host of the scraper. I then will email the abuse department at the host. Once or twice, they took action after checking out the site. The usual response is to demand a full DMCA, and that is where I stop making the effort. <br><br>I don't have enough time to deal with the issue, especially since I make virtually no money from my site. People who make an income from their sites and take the time needed to deal with scrapers are probably using up more time and effort than it is worth. <br><br>It would be great to have more automated tools available, but until the hosts get serious about the obvious scrapers, nothing will stop them.<br><br>There is also the point that one host made after I contacted them which was something like this: "Well yes the site has your entire blog post, but we see no monetization of their site, and they link back to you at the end of the stolen content. Legally there is nothing we can do."<br><br>Sorry to vent, but it does get frustrating. I think your one point about the “time sink” encompasses 90% of the frustrated bloggers. I know I find my stuff scraped whenever I look, so I stopped looking. It is just too frustrating and time consuming. The thieves are just overrunning the fort!

If I get a ping or trackback that leads me to a scraper, I will take the time to delete the pooing and try to find out the host of the scraper. I then will email the abuse department at the host. Once or twice, they took action after checking out the site. The usual response is to demand a full DMCA, and that is where I stop making the effort.

I don’t have enough time to deal with the issue, especially since I make virtually no money from my site. People who make an income from their sites and take the time needed to deal with scrapers are probably using up more time and effort than it is worth.

It would be great to have more automated tools available, but until the hosts get serious about the obvious scrapers, nothing will stop them.

There is also the point that one host made after I contacted them which was something like this: “Well yes the site has your entire blog post, but we see no monetization of their site, and they link back to you at the end of the stolen content. Legally there is nothing we can do.”

Sorry to vent, but it does get frustrating.

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