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> <channel><title>Comments on: Flickr Misses an Opportunity</title> <atom:link href="http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/</link> <description>Content Theft, Plagiarism, Copyright Infringement</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:12:29 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=abc</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: JB</title><link>http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-71242</link> <dc:creator>JB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:08:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/#comment-71242</guid> <description>Cybele: Thanks for the links, I&#039;m going to go through them in just a few minutes.For the record. Your Flickr account is easily the most hunger-inducing. You&#039;ll have to forgive me if I don&#039;t go there for the next two months. I&#039;m on a diet and I know your blog or your Flickr would break me a bit too easily.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cybele: Thanks for the links, I&#8217;m going to go through them in just a few minutes.</p><p>For the record. Your Flickr account is easily the most hunger-inducing. You&#8217;ll have to forgive me if I don&#8217;t go there for the next two months. I&#8217;m on a diet and I know your blog or your Flickr would break me a bit too easily.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cybele</title><link>http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-71241</link> <dc:creator>cybele</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:04:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/#comment-71241</guid> <description>Here&#039;s the official help topic:http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/61430/Then there&#039;s the Flickr Ideas discussions:http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/More specifically this one:http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discuss/72157600044271804/I&#039;m inclined to give them a few weeks to iron stuff out and see first how much of a load it all is and then figure out how they can deliver the stuff that people actually want.I have 4,800 photos on flickr (over 1,600 of them are candy) so I&#039;m obviously pretty invested in knowing what&#039;s going on with my image. But I see far more of them taken via my own blog (based on the name of the image file).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the official help topic:</p><p><a
href="http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/61430/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/61430/</a></p><p>Then there&#8217;s the Flickr Ideas discussions:</p><p><a
href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/</a></p><p>More specifically this one:</p><p><a
href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discuss/72157600044271804/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discuss/72157600044271804/</a></p><p>I&#8217;m inclined to give them a few weeks to iron stuff out and see first how much of a load it all is and then figure out how they can deliver the stuff that people actually want.</p><p>I have 4,800 photos on flickr (over 1,600 of them are candy) so I&#8217;m obviously pretty invested in knowing what&#8217;s going on with my image. But I see far more of them taken via my own blog (based on the name of the image file).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JB</title><link>http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-71237</link> <dc:creator>JB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:41:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/#comment-71237</guid> <description>True, we both are discussing a feature that is brand new. I don&#039;t think anyone knows exactly what the heck it is going to do. Everyone&#039;s just guessing, me included, perhaps even especially since I don&#039;t use Flickr anymore.I also have to agree that, for an initial release, it is pretty neat and still more than any other photo sharing site. However, that begs an interesting question in its own right. Hey, Photobucket, Divshare, Boxtr, etc. Any of you reading this? Hint. Hint.It&#039;s good to know that enforcement is pretty swift on their end. I&#039;ve heard talk that since the Yahoo! merger that has been one of the things that has slid. What is your take on that?It still seems strange that they don&#039;t have a system for sniffing out misuse and violation of the linking rules. It would be pretty easy to do I would think. However, I doubt that automated enforcement of that rule is worth the reward of the link.Glad to hear that there&#039;s a lot of good feedback on the Flickr forums about this, do you have a link so I can check it out?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, we both are discussing a feature that is brand new. I don&#8217;t think anyone knows exactly what the heck it is going to do. Everyone&#8217;s just guessing, me included, perhaps even especially since I don&#8217;t use Flickr anymore.</p><p>I also have to agree that, for an initial release, it is pretty neat and still more than any other photo sharing site. However, that begs an interesting question in its own right. Hey, Photobucket, Divshare, Boxtr, etc. Any of you reading this? Hint. Hint.</p><p>It&#8217;s good to know that enforcement is pretty swift on their end. I&#8217;ve heard talk that since the Yahoo! merger that has been one of the things that has slid. What is your take on that?</p><p>It still seems strange that they don&#8217;t have a system for sniffing out misuse and violation of the linking rules. It would be pretty easy to do I would think. However, I doubt that automated enforcement of that rule is worth the reward of the link.</p><p>Glad to hear that there&#8217;s a lot of good feedback on the Flickr forums about this, do you have a link so I can check it out?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cybele</title><link>http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-71235</link> <dc:creator>cybele</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:30:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/#comment-71235</guid> <description>I didn&#039;t say I was relying on clickthrus (heck, I just got the stats yesterday), I just said that it does show it, which is slightly heartening and it goes way back in history, which I never expected. I did see a dozen or so image links to my stuff that I&#039;d never picked up before (and they were all credited in some way).I&#039;d love to know the external image hits as well, but for an initial release that addresses what&#039;s happening on the actual Flickr site, it&#039;s certainly better than what I had a week ago.As for the enforcement, if someone reports violations of any of the policies, they do actually take care of it pretty quickly. I&#039;ve reported several things to them over the years and most are handled within 48 hours and all of them eventually. No, they don&#039;t have a system that sniffs it out as far as I can tell. But a community of hundreds of thousands is a pretty good sniffing system.There&#039;s a huge list of comments already on the Help and Feedback forums, so I think that they&#039;ll respond with more features at some point. (Most of all I think they&#039;re tracking the data, which means that it is more likely since it&#039;s there.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say I was relying on clickthrus (heck, I just got the stats yesterday), I just said that it does show it, which is slightly heartening and it goes way back in history, which I never expected. I did see a dozen or so image links to my stuff that I&#8217;d never picked up before (and they were all credited in some way).</p><p>I&#8217;d love to know the external image hits as well, but for an initial release that addresses what&#8217;s happening on the actual Flickr site, it&#8217;s certainly better than what I had a week ago.</p><p>As for the enforcement, if someone reports violations of any of the policies, they do actually take care of it pretty quickly. I&#8217;ve reported several things to them over the years and most are handled within 48 hours and all of them eventually. No, they don&#8217;t have a system that sniffs it out as far as I can tell. But a community of hundreds of thousands is a pretty good sniffing system.</p><p>There&#8217;s a huge list of comments already on the Help and Feedback forums, so I think that they&#8217;ll respond with more features at some point. (Most of all I think they&#8217;re tracking the data, which means that it is more likely since it&#8217;s there.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JB</title><link>http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-71232</link> <dc:creator>JB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:12:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/#comment-71232</guid> <description>Cybele: First off, that&#039;s a neat idea about BlogPulse. I&#039;d been experimenting with it as a way to track news I was interested in, a possible substitute for Techndorati, but it never occurred to me that it could be used like that.Neat idea.As far as the idea of clickthroughs go, it is a neat one, but there are some pretty big flaws in relying on it.First, clickthru rates on even large visual elements overs in the low single digits. Sure, someone will likely click through at some point, but how long will it take?Second, having used Flick in the past, I know firsthand there is zero enforcement of that linking policy. None. I used a plugin gallery for another site I formerly ran and the plugin author, without me realizing it, never followed those terms. I never heard, about it, even after over a hundred images, and only discovered it by accident when I tried to go to my original Flickr page.Fortunately, that site is now defunct.Finally, it doesn&#039;t tell you much about how many people are viewing your image elsewhere. When trying to decide what sites to check first and what kind of enforcement to seek, that is pretty handy knowledge.Indeed, the hyperlinking rule does soften the blow a good deal, but it still leaves a very sizable chunk of data missing. Much of it we probably won&#039;t ever get back.Thanks for the thoughts and suggestions!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cybele: First off, that&#8217;s a neat idea about BlogPulse. I&#8217;d been experimenting with it as a way to track news I was interested in, a possible substitute for Techndorati, but it never occurred to me that it could be used like that.</p><p>Neat idea.</p><p>As far as the idea of clickthroughs go, it is a neat one, but there are some pretty big flaws in relying on it.</p><p>First, clickthru rates on even large visual elements overs in the low single digits. Sure, someone will likely click through at some point, but how long will it take?</p><p>Second, having used Flick in the past, I know firsthand there is zero enforcement of that linking policy. None. I used a plugin gallery for another site I formerly ran and the plugin author, without me realizing it, never followed those terms. I never heard, about it, even after over a hundred images, and only discovered it by accident when I tried to go to my original Flickr page.</p><p>Fortunately, that site is now defunct.</p><p>Finally, it doesn&#8217;t tell you much about how many people are viewing your image elsewhere. When trying to decide what sites to check first and what kind of enforcement to seek, that is pretty handy knowledge.</p><p>Indeed, the hyperlinking rule does soften the blow a good deal, but it still leaves a very sizable chunk of data missing. Much of it we probably won&#8217;t ever get back.</p><p>Thanks for the thoughts and suggestions!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JB</title><link>http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-121364</link> <dc:creator>JB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:08:21 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/#comment-121364</guid> <description>Cybele: Thanks for the links, I&#039;m going to go through them in just a few minutes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For the record. Your Flickr account is easily the most hunger-inducing. You&#039;ll have to forgive me if I don&#039;t go there for the next two months. I&#039;m on a diet and I know your blog or your Flickr would break me a bit too easily.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cybele: Thanks for the links, I&#8217;m going to go through them in just a few minutes.</p><p>For the record. Your Flickr account is easily the most hunger-inducing. You&#8217;ll have to forgive me if I don&#8217;t go there for the next two months. I&#8217;m on a diet and I know your blog or your Flickr would break me a bit too easily.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cybele</title><link>http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-121363</link> <dc:creator>cybele</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:04:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/#comment-121363</guid> <description>Here&#039;s the official help topic:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/61430/&quot;&gt;http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/61430/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then there&#039;s the Flickr Ideas discussions:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/&quot;&gt;http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More specifically this one:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discuss/72157600044271804/&quot;&gt;http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discus...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m inclined to give them a few weeks to iron stuff out and see first how much of a load it all is and then figure out how they can deliver the stuff that people actually want. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I have 4,800 photos on flickr (over 1,600 of them are candy) so I&#039;m obviously pretty invested in knowing what&#039;s going on with my image. But I see far more of them taken via my own blog (based on the name of the image file).</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the official help topic:</p><p><a
href="http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/61430/">http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/61430/</a></p><p>Then there&#8217;s the Flickr Ideas discussions:</p><p><a
href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/</a></p><p>More specifically this one:</p><p><a
href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discuss/72157600044271804/"></a><a
href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discus.." rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/groups/flickrideas/discus..</a>.</p><p>I&#8217;m inclined to give them a few weeks to iron stuff out and see first how much of a load it all is and then figure out how they can deliver the stuff that people actually want.</p><p>I have 4,800 photos on flickr (over 1,600 of them are candy) so I&#8217;m obviously pretty invested in knowing what&#8217;s going on with my image. But I see far more of them taken via my own blog (based on the name of the image file).</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JB</title><link>http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-121361</link> <dc:creator>JB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:41:46 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/#comment-121361</guid> <description>True, we both are discussing a feature that is brand new. I don&#039;t think anyone knows exactly what the heck it is going to do. Everyone&#039;s just guessing, me included, perhaps even especially since I don&#039;t use Flickr anymore.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I also have to agree that, for an initial release, it is pretty neat and still more than any other photo sharing site. However, that begs an interesting question in its own right. Hey, Photobucket, Divshare, Boxtr, etc. Any of you reading this? Hint. Hint.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s good to know that enforcement is pretty swift on their end. I&#039;ve heard talk that since the Yahoo! merger that has been one of the things that has slid. What is your take on that? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It still seems strange that they don&#039;t have a system for sniffing out misuse and violation of the linking rules. It would be pretty easy to do I would think. However, I doubt that automated enforcement of that rule is worth the reward of the link.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Glad to hear that there&#039;s a lot of good feedback on the Flickr forums about this, do you have a link so I can check it out?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, we both are discussing a feature that is brand new. I don&#8217;t think anyone knows exactly what the heck it is going to do. Everyone&#8217;s just guessing, me included, perhaps even especially since I don&#8217;t use Flickr anymore.</p><p>I also have to agree that, for an initial release, it is pretty neat and still more than any other photo sharing site. However, that begs an interesting question in its own right. Hey, Photobucket, Divshare, Boxtr, etc. Any of you reading this? Hint. Hint.</p><p>It&#8217;s good to know that enforcement is pretty swift on their end. I&#8217;ve heard talk that since the Yahoo! merger that has been one of the things that has slid. What is your take on that?</p><p>It still seems strange that they don&#8217;t have a system for sniffing out misuse and violation of the linking rules. It would be pretty easy to do I would think. However, I doubt that automated enforcement of that rule is worth the reward of the link.</p><p>Glad to hear that there&#8217;s a lot of good feedback on the Flickr forums about this, do you have a link so I can check it out?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: cybele</title><link>http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-121359</link> <dc:creator>cybele</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:30:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/#comment-121359</guid> <description>I didn&#039;t say I was relying on clickthrus (heck, I just got the stats yesterday), I just said that it does show it, which is slightly heartening and it goes way back in history, which I never expected. I did see a dozen or so image links to my stuff that I&#039;d never picked up before (and they were all credited in some way). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d love to know the external image hits as well, but for an initial release that addresses what&#039;s happening on the actual Flickr site, it&#039;s certainly better than what I had a week ago. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for the enforcement, if someone reports violations of any of the policies, they do actually take care of it pretty quickly. I&#039;ve reported several things to them over the years and most are handled within 48 hours and all of them eventually. No, they don&#039;t have a system that sniffs it out as far as I can tell. But a community of hundreds of thousands is a pretty good sniffing system. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There&#039;s a huge list of comments already on the Help and Feedback forums, so I think that they&#039;ll respond with more features at some point. (Most of all I think they&#039;re tracking the data, which means that it is more likely since it&#039;s there.)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say I was relying on clickthrus (heck, I just got the stats yesterday), I just said that it does show it, which is slightly heartening and it goes way back in history, which I never expected. I did see a dozen or so image links to my stuff that I&#8217;d never picked up before (and they were all credited in some way).</p><p>I&#8217;d love to know the external image hits as well, but for an initial release that addresses what&#8217;s happening on the actual Flickr site, it&#8217;s certainly better than what I had a week ago.</p><p>As for the enforcement, if someone reports violations of any of the policies, they do actually take care of it pretty quickly. I&#8217;ve reported several things to them over the years and most are handled within 48 hours and all of them eventually. No, they don&#8217;t have a system that sniffs it out as far as I can tell. But a community of hundreds of thousands is a pretty good sniffing system.</p><p>There&#8217;s a huge list of comments already on the Help and Feedback forums, so I think that they&#8217;ll respond with more features at some point. (Most of all I think they&#8217;re tracking the data, which means that it is more likely since it&#8217;s there.)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: JB</title><link>http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/comment-page-1/#comment-121357</link> <dc:creator>JB</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 19:12:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/12/14/flickr-misses-an-opportunity/#comment-121357</guid> <description>Cybele: First off, that&#039;s a neat idea about BlogPulse. I&#039;d been experimenting with it as a way to track news I was interested in, a possible substitute for Techndorati, but it never occurred to me that it could be used like that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Neat idea.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far as the idea of clickthroughs go, it is a neat one, but there are some pretty big flaws in relying on it. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, clickthru rates on even large visual elements overs in the low single digits. Sure, someone will likely click through at some point, but how long will it take? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, having used Flick in the past, I know firsthand there is zero enforcement of that linking policy. None. I used a plugin gallery for another site I formerly ran and the plugin author, without me realizing it, never followed those terms. I never heard, about it, even after over a hundred images, and only discovered it by accident when I tried to go to my original Flickr page.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fortunately, that site is now defunct. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, it doesn&#039;t tell you much about how many people are viewing your image elsewhere. When trying to decide what sites to check first and what kind of enforcement to seek, that is pretty handy knowledge.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Indeed, the hyperlinking rule does soften the blow a good deal, but it still leaves a very sizable chunk of data missing. Much of it we probably won&#039;t ever get back.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks for the thoughts and suggestions!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cybele: First off, that&#8217;s a neat idea about BlogPulse. I&#8217;d been experimenting with it as a way to track news I was interested in, a possible substitute for Techndorati, but it never occurred to me that it could be used like that.</p><p>Neat idea.</p><p>As far as the idea of clickthroughs go, it is a neat one, but there are some pretty big flaws in relying on it.</p><p>First, clickthru rates on even large visual elements overs in the low single digits. Sure, someone will likely click through at some point, but how long will it take?</p><p>Second, having used Flick in the past, I know firsthand there is zero enforcement of that linking policy. None. I used a plugin gallery for another site I formerly ran and the plugin author, without me realizing it, never followed those terms. I never heard, about it, even after over a hundred images, and only discovered it by accident when I tried to go to my original Flickr page.</p><p>Fortunately, that site is now defunct.</p><p>Finally, it doesn&#8217;t tell you much about how many people are viewing your image elsewhere. When trying to decide what sites to check first and what kind of enforcement to seek, that is pretty handy knowledge.</p><p>Indeed, the hyperlinking rule does soften the blow a good deal, but it still leaves a very sizable chunk of data missing. Much of it we probably won&#8217;t ever get back.</p><p>Thanks for the thoughts and suggestions!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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