Comments on: Review: The Cult of the Amateur http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/ Content Theft, Plagiarism, Copyright Infringement Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:14:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Book Review: Starving the Artist | PlagiarismToday http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-130215 Book Review: Starving the Artist | PlagiarismToday Mon, 07 Jun 2010 16:02:33 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-130215 [...] books on the topic released in the past few years have included Digital Barbarians by Mark Helprin, Cult of the Amateur by Andrew Keen, The Little Book of Plagiarism by Judge Richard Posner, Remix by Lawrence Lessig and [...] [...] books on the topic released in the past few years have included Digital Barbarians by Mark Helprin, Cult of the Amateur by Andrew Keen, The Little Book of Plagiarism by Judge Richard Posner, Remix by Lawrence Lessig and [...]

]]> By: Is Creative Commons a Rights Grab? | PlagiarismToday http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-130127 Is Creative Commons a Rights Grab? | PlagiarismToday Thu, 13 May 2010 02:54:26 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-130127 [...] the divide between the two sides, making compromise even more difficult.We saw this a great deal in Andrew Keen’s book, where he frequently considered Lessig a copyright abolitionist, and it is a common mentality of [...] [...] the divide between the two sides, making compromise even more difficult.We saw this a great deal in Andrew Keen’s book, where he frequently considered Lessig a copyright abolitionist, and it is a common mentality of [...]

]]> By: Book Review: Digital Barbarism | PlagiarismToday http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-125571 Book Review: Digital Barbarism | PlagiarismToday Thu, 21 May 2009 15:00:58 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-125571 [...] as was with the case with Andrew Keen’s Cult of the Amateur, the benefit of the book is greatly hindered by clearly erroneous and/or misguided arguments. As [...] [...] as was with the case with Andrew Keen’s Cult of the Amateur, the benefit of the book is greatly hindered by clearly erroneous and/or misguided arguments. As [...]

]]> By: Jae http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-124694 Jae Thu, 12 Feb 2009 02:45:45 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-124694 Like the blog Stuff White People Like, the author is cleverly bringing up the theme of the 'polemic'. It's cutting out the task which we, the producers of Web 2.0, must face, if we want to produce 'quality' content. This deals with the philosophical task of coming to terms with our values and morals. ;) Like the blog Stuff White People Like, the author is cleverly bringing up the theme of the 'polemic'. It's cutting out the task which we, the producers of Web 2.0, must face, if we want to produce 'quality' content. This deals with the philosophical task of coming to terms with our values and morals. ;)

]]> By: woody weaver http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-64585 woody weaver Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:35:00 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-64585 A comment on the comment on "an insider now on the outside who has poured out his cup of Kool-Aid" Cybele could well be correct, in that this is a reference to the Jonestown mass suicide, and that he is suggesting that at the last minute he betrayed his faith (appropriately!) Of course, Flavor Aid is the correct reference. There is a kinder alternative. The original meme was spread by Ken Keysey and the Merry Pranksters: to drink the (LSD laced) kool aid was to embrace the kaleidoscopic drug culture of the time. I think there is much merit in comparing Keyseys philosophy of intersubjectivity and Web2.0, and so it could be that pouring out the kool aid is a statement that a 'common sense shared meaning of social and cultural life' is ultimately weaker and less satisfying than historical perspectives based upon careful ratiocination. Actual meaning is left as an exercise to the reader. A comment on the comment on “an insider now on the outside who has poured out his cup of Kool-Aid”

Cybele could well be correct, in that this is a reference to the Jonestown mass suicide, and that he is suggesting that at the last minute he betrayed his faith (appropriately!) Of course, Flavor Aid is the correct reference.

There is a kinder alternative. The original meme was spread by Ken Keysey and the Merry Pranksters: to drink the (LSD laced) kool aid was to embrace the kaleidoscopic drug culture of the time. I think there is much merit in comparing Keyseys philosophy of intersubjectivity and Web2.0, and so it could be that pouring out the kool aid is a statement that a ‘common sense shared meaning of social and cultural life’ is ultimately weaker and less satisfying than historical perspectives based upon careful ratiocination.

Actual meaning is left as an exercise to the reader.

]]> By: woody weaver http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-121730 woody weaver Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:35:00 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-121730 A comment on the comment on "an insider now on the outside who has poured out his cup of Kool-Aid"Cybele could well be correct, in that this is a reference to the Jonestown mass suicide, and that he is suggesting that at the last minute he betrayed his faith (appropriately!) Of course, Flavor Aid is the correct reference.There is a kinder alternative. The original meme was spread by Ken Keysey and the Merry Pranksters: to drink the (LSD laced) kool aid was to embrace the kaleidoscopic drug culture of the time. I think there is much merit in comparing Keyseys philosophy of intersubjectivity and Web2.0, and so it could be that pouring out the kool aid is a statement that a 'common sense shared meaning of social and cultural life' is ultimately weaker and less satisfying than historical perspectives based upon careful ratiocination.Actual meaning is left as an exercise to the reader. A comment on the comment on "an insider now on the outside who has poured out his cup of Kool-Aid"Cybele could well be correct, in that this is a reference to the Jonestown mass suicide, and that he is suggesting that at the last minute he betrayed his faith (appropriately!) Of course, Flavor Aid is the correct reference.There is a kinder alternative. The original meme was spread by Ken Keysey and the Merry Pranksters: to drink the (LSD laced) kool aid was to embrace the kaleidoscopic drug culture of the time. I think there is much merit in comparing Keyseys philosophy of intersubjectivity and Web2.0, and so it could be that pouring out the kool aid is a statement that a 'common sense shared meaning of social and cultural life' is ultimately weaker and less satisfying than historical perspectives based upon careful ratiocination.Actual meaning is left as an exercise to the reader.

]]> By: Jake Lockley http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-60179 Jake Lockley Fri, 22 Jun 2007 04:21:25 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-60179 Let your skills atrophy? If you give it away, then no one will want to pay and then one day very soon there will be no jobs for you to have. This is already happening. What are you going to do when news outlets no longer hire people but simply link to free sites like consumers are doing now? What prevents a news outlet from linking to you from their popular portal and collecting ad revenue while you flounder? It's all well and good in the name of freedom and free speech and free expression, but let's see how well that feeds you. Something very tragic is happening and people are too busy defending themselves to see it. If suddenly all food was free and people could go into free resturants or pay resturants and get the same quality food and service, how long do you think pay resturants would be around? How long do you think it would take before people who get paid to make food would not be able to get paid for it? All because someone wants to express themselves and prove to the world for free they can cook just as good as a pro and gain attention by giving it away. Think long and hard about this, because it's happening. The internet is to media what globalization is to labor. When labor is a commodity, the market value of labor goes down. (There's always a cheaper monkey to hire). There is no point at which it goes back up, to go up you need to find another market as a laborer in which to compete, but we are talking about the global market, and beyond that there is none. Let your skills atrophy? If you give it away, then no one will want to pay and then one day very soon there will be no jobs for you to have. This is already happening.

What are you going to do when news outlets no longer hire people but simply link to free sites like consumers are doing now? What prevents a news outlet from linking to you from their popular portal and collecting ad revenue while you flounder? It’s all well and good in the name of freedom and free speech and free expression, but let’s see how well that feeds you. Something very tragic is happening and people are too busy defending themselves to see it.

If suddenly all food was free and people could go into free resturants or pay resturants and get the same quality food and service, how long do you think pay resturants would be around? How long do you think it would take before people who get paid to make food would not be able to get paid for it? All because someone wants to express themselves and prove to the world for free they can cook just as good as a pro and gain attention by giving it away.

Think long and hard about this, because it’s happening. The internet is to media what globalization is to labor. When labor is a commodity, the market value of labor goes down. (There’s always a cheaper monkey to hire). There is no point at which it goes back up, to go up you need to find another market as a laborer in which to compete, but we are talking about the global market, and beyond that there is none.

]]> By: Jake Lockley http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-121729 Jake Lockley Thu, 21 Jun 2007 23:21:25 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-121729 Let your skills atrophy? If you give it away, then no one will want to pay and then one day very soon there will be no jobs for you to have. This is already happening. What are you going to do when news outlets no longer hire people but simply link to free sites like consumers are doing now? What prevents a news outlet from linking to you from their popular portal and collecting ad revenue while you flounder? It's all well and good in the name of freedom and free speech and free expression, but let's see how well that feeds you. Something very tragic is happening and people are too busy defending themselves to see it. If suddenly all food was free and people could go into free resturants or pay resturants and get the same quality food and service, how long do you think pay resturants would be around? How long do you think it would take before people who get paid to make food would not be able to get paid for it? All because someone wants to express themselves and prove to the world for free they can cook just as good as a pro and gain attention by giving it away. Think long and hard about this, because it's happening. The internet is to media what globalization is to labor. When labor is a commodity, the market value of labor goes down. (There's always a cheaper monkey to hire). There is no point at which it goes back up, to go up you need to find another market as a laborer in which to compete, but we are talking about the global market, and beyond that there is none. Let your skills atrophy? If you give it away, then no one will want to pay and then one day very soon there will be no jobs for you to have. This is already happening. What are you going to do when news outlets no longer hire people but simply link to free sites like consumers are doing now? What prevents a news outlet from linking to you from their popular portal and collecting ad revenue while you flounder? It's all well and good in the name of freedom and free speech and free expression, but let's see how well that feeds you. Something very tragic is happening and people are too busy defending themselves to see it. If suddenly all food was free and people could go into free resturants or pay resturants and get the same quality food and service, how long do you think pay resturants would be around? How long do you think it would take before people who get paid to make food would not be able to get paid for it? All because someone wants to express themselves and prove to the world for free they can cook just as good as a pro and gain attention by giving it away. Think long and hard about this, because it's happening. The internet is to media what globalization is to labor. When labor is a commodity, the market value of labor goes down. (There's always a cheaper monkey to hire). There is no point at which it goes back up, to go up you need to find another market as a laborer in which to compete, but we are talking about the global market, and beyond that there is none.

]]> By: Sabrina http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-59922 Sabrina Sun, 10 Jun 2007 17:01:00 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-59922 Quite frankly, I think Keen is an elitist and a utter control freak! He's just angry because he and his ilk of geeks cannot dictate to others what can or cannot be placed online. I resent his statement about only PAID people have a right to speak up. I hold a degree in Journalism and International Studies but am not currently employed in either field. Does this mean I'm supposed to let my skills atrophy because I can't find a job at a conventional newspaper, radio or TV station? The way I see it, the Internet is my 2d chance...and I've taken that chance with a vengeance with two blogs, a website, a myspace and facebook account as well as plans to begin my own podcasts...and YES, everything I put online follows journalistic principles, citing sources etc. Yet Keen would call those of us who choose to express ourselves online as "amateurs" and "monkeys." Well better a 'monkey' than a jackass...which is what he is! Quite frankly, I think Keen is an elitist and a utter control freak! He’s just angry because he and his ilk of geeks cannot dictate to others what can or cannot be placed online. I resent his statement about only PAID people have a right to speak up. I hold a degree in Journalism and International Studies but am not currently employed in either field. Does this mean I’m supposed to let my skills atrophy because I can’t find a job at a conventional newspaper, radio or TV station? The way I see it, the Internet is my 2d chance…and I’ve taken that chance with a vengeance with two blogs, a website, a myspace and facebook account as well as plans to begin my own podcasts…and YES, everything I put online follows journalistic principles, citing sources etc. Yet Keen would call those of us who choose to express ourselves online as “amateurs” and “monkeys.” Well better a ‘monkey’ than a jackass…which is what he is!

]]> By: Sabrina http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/comment-page-1/#comment-121728 Sabrina Sun, 10 Jun 2007 12:01:00 +0000 http://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2007/06/08/review-the-cult-of-the-amateur/#comment-121728 Quite frankly, I think Keen is an elitist and a utter control freak! He's just angry because he and his ilk of geeks cannot dictate to others what can or cannot be placed online. I resent his statement about only PAID people have a right to speak up. I hold a degree in Journalism and International Studies but am not currently employed in either field. Does this mean I'm supposed to let my skills atrophy because I can't find a job at a conventional newspaper, radio or TV station? The way I see it, the Internet is my 2d chance...and I've taken that chance with a vengeance with two blogs, a website, a myspace and facebook account as well as plans to begin my own podcasts...and YES, everything I put online follows journalistic principles, citing sources etc. Yet Keen would call those of us who choose to express ourselves online as "amateurs" and "monkeys." Well better a 'monkey' than a jackass...which is what he is! Quite frankly, I think Keen is an elitist and a utter control freak! He's just angry because he and his ilk of geeks cannot dictate to others what can or cannot be placed online. I resent his statement about only PAID people have a right to speak up. I hold a degree in Journalism and International Studies but am not currently employed in either field. Does this mean I'm supposed to let my skills atrophy because I can't find a job at a conventional newspaper, radio or TV station? The way I see it, the Internet is my 2d chance…and I've taken that chance with a vengeance with two blogs, a website, a myspace and facebook account as well as plans to begin my own podcasts…and YES, everything I put online follows journalistic principles, citing sources etc. Yet Keen would call those of us who choose to express ourselves online as "amateurs" and "monkeys." Well better a 'monkey' than a jackass…which is what he is!

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